Paragon or Dervish? - Guild Wars Forums

Accursed · Aug 06, 2009, 11:11 PM // 23:11

I have read both of the guides at least twice and I still cannot decide which to make, and no, I don't want to make both.

They both seem very fun to play, but now I just need more opinions on this matter.

Ugh · Aug 06, 2009, 11:14 PM // 23:14

I find derv more entertaining.

Gennadios · Aug 06, 2009, 11:47 PM // 23:47

Personally it's a bit easier to get into a group as a para. Dervs compete with 3 other melee classes for the one or two spots that ppl are willing to dedicate, as a paragon there's a bit more room to work with.

refer · Aug 07, 2009, 01:25 AM // 01:25

Never tried Dervishes, but I like paragons. Spamming shouts and spears with conditions is actually quite fun.

**Marty Silverblade** · Aug 07, 2009, 03:00 AM // 03:00

Dervs sound more interesting (I haven't played either), though it sucks that other people can use your own weapon better than you can. Melee is more fun than ranged imo.

HawkofStorms · Aug 07, 2009, 03:10 AM // 03:10

I've played both. Found paragon boring. Derv is a lot of fun if used correctly.

Neo Nugget · Aug 07, 2009, 04:14 AM // 04:14

In my experience, Dervish is a bit more exciting to play, but Paragon is a solid class as well. If you get the dervish PvE only skill Eternal Aura, that allows you to permanently maintain your avatar skills, since it recharges all of your dervish skills upon ending. I guess you could ask yourself if you'd rather be upfront, attacking an enemy, or staying back shouting and supporting the party.

ryan__ryan · Aug 07, 2009, 04:30 AM // 04:30

easier to get into a party as a para than a dervish although as a para u pretty much will run imbagon (pvx that if u dont know what that is) 90% of the time

Cuilan · Aug 07, 2009, 05:09 AM // 05:09

Play style wise, the paragon stands in the middle of your group and shouts off support while the dervish gets in a group of enemies after the tank to deal damage/cripple. Dervish can support and the paragon can deal damage, but that's what they're mostly for typically. I'd say dervish because they're more engaging.

reaper with no name · Aug 07, 2009, 06:17 AM // 06:17

Paragons are a fairly unique class. There's no other class that does quite what they do, the way they do it. Unfortunately, you have few good build options. So if you get tired of playing imbagon, you're in trouble.

On the other hand, despite what Anet intended, the dervish is a standard melee class. 90% of what it does (more like 99%, actually), can be done better with a W/D or A/D (even with today's buffs). However, the dervish does look cooler than the competition. It has like 5 builds that it's competition can't do better.

So it's overall usefulness to a party (Para) versus build options (Derv).

KoKoS · Aug 07, 2009, 07:03 AM // 07:03

i find derv more entertaining too =D

and paragons dance are not good x.x xD

Arduin · Aug 07, 2009, 02:51 PM // 14:51

My Dervish made it to level 20 before getting ditched, my Paragon made it to level 6.

Maybe the buffs of the Dervish skills yesterday will make the Dervish more enjoyable to play.

Yang Whirlwind · Aug 07, 2009, 03:47 PM // 15:47

Both classes are interesting. Dervish are basically m??l??e (frontline) and Paragons are ranged (midline), maybe you should base the decision on which type of game-play you prefer?

dilan155 · Aug 07, 2009, 03:55 PM // 15:55

i played both of them and even though my para is still my main, i find him quite boring, dervish is pretty good, specially in pve where mobs group and you have a scythe.

Jarot · Aug 07, 2009, 05:40 PM // 17:40

I really like my Dervish. I find that with skills, he can take care of himself in almost any group or by himself. He is the one I go to when I want to play aggressively and just slice up stuff!

Slasher of Darkness · Aug 07, 2009, 05:56 PM // 17:56

My main is a derv, 13 maxed titles and closing in to 15..I like him alot, even tho alot of the times I'm discouraged by the fact that A/D (cba with W/D) does scythe better then I do, and I find myself asking if I should continue my dervish, but I always come back to it.
But on the other hand I never tried a paragon, but imho, they only got 1 GREAT build, and from what I've heard, that build is boring also. If u do it right, derv is LOADS of fun.

zmano11 · Aug 07, 2009, 06:49 PM // 18:49

id make a para and had both and deleted both cause i never used never liked either of them tbh but my para was more fun and easier 2 get into grps and if Shadow Form ever gets nerfed a SY Para would prolly make it into a group easier in the future

Smarty · Aug 07, 2009, 09:30 PM // 21:30

So many para haters. :P

I've got both.

Derv made it to SS Sanctuary/Bloodstone Fen two years ago and has been a mods mule ever since because I find the pre-fight enchant-casting rigmarole to be a yawn-fest, and if I'm going to play melee I'd rather play as a warrior. I freely admit I've not played a derv enough to really know what I'm doing, but the (comparatively) little I have seen I've not enjoyed.

Para has been my main for the last few months and I'm getting close to 10 maxed titles with him. OK so pretty much all I run on him is imba, but that's because I pug with him for zquests most of the time and it's a bar that gets the job done spectacularly well. I'm more of a caster at heart and the para is an interesting variation on that theme for me. Much, MUCH easier than mesmer for sure - I can overaggro like crazy even in HM and not wipe.

Depends what playstyle suits you best, as others have said, and on who you'll primarily be playing with (pugs, friend, guildies, h/h) and what you'll be doing with them, as to which class would be the right one for you.

aga · Aug 07, 2009, 09:44 PM // 21:44

It's just what you prefer. If you would rather be on the frontline dealing damage, or in the midline supporting the party, with some damage?

My main was a derv, since i got 30 titles on him, i've barely used it, as imo, it's a boring class, although there are a lot of different styles of builds for a derv to run. As for paras i find them more interesting to play, but they are only ever used for running imba, so they are pretty much a 1 trick pony.

notskorn · Aug 07, 2009, 11:02 PM // 23:02

Neither one of those classes are fun in PvE. Dervish dies a lot and Paragons are really limited and therefore really boring.

Aug 06, 2009, 11:11 PM // 23:11	#1
Accursed Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Sep 2007	Paragon or Dervish? I have read both of the guides at least twice and I still cannot decide which to make, and no, I don't want to make both. They both seem very fun to play, but now I just need more opinions on this matter.

Aug 06, 2009, 11:14 PM // 23:14	#2
Ugh Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jun 2009 Profession: R/	I find derv more entertaining. Last edited by Ugh; Aug 07, 2009 at 01:31 AM // 01:31..

Aug 07, 2009, 03:00 AM // 03:00	#5
Marty Silverblade Administrator Join Date: Jun 2006	Dervs sound more interesting (I haven't played either), though it sucks that other people can use your own weapon better than you can. Melee is more fun than ranged imo. __________________

Aug 07, 2009, 04:14 AM // 04:14	#7
Neo Nugget Site Contributor Join Date: Jan 2006 Profession: R/	In my experience, Dervish is a bit more exciting to play, but Paragon is a solid class as well. If you get the dervish PvE only skill Eternal Aura, that allows you to permanently maintain your avatar skills, since it recharges all of your dervish skills upon ending. I guess you could ask yourself if you'd rather be upfront, attacking an enemy, or staying back shouting and supporting the party. __________________ "Even if the morrow is barren of promises, nothing shall forestall my return."

Aug 07, 2009, 09:30 PM // 21:30	#18
Smarty Krytan Explorer Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: England Profession: Me/	So many para haters. :P I've got both. Derv made it to SS Sanctuary/Bloodstone Fen two years ago and has been a mods mule ever since because I find the pre-fight enchant-casting rigmarole to be a yawn-fest, and if I'm going to play melee I'd rather play as a warrior. I freely admit I've not played a derv enough to really know what I'm doing, but the (comparatively) little I have seen I've not enjoyed. Para has been my main for the last few months and I'm getting close to 10 maxed titles with him. OK so pretty much all I run on him is imba, but that's because I pug with him for zquests most of the time and it's a bar that gets the job done spectacularly well. I'm more of a caster at heart and the para is an interesting variation on that theme for me. Much, MUCH easier than mesmer for sure - I can overaggro like crazy even in HM and not wipe. Depends what playstyle suits you best, as others have said, and on who you'll primarily be playing with (pugs, friend, guildies, h/h) and what you'll be doing with them, as to which class would be the right one for you. Last edited by Smarty; Aug 07, 2009 at 09:40 PM // 21:40.. Reason: no REALLY

Aug 06, 2009, 11:47 PM // 23:47	#3
Gennadios Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jun 2009 Profession: N/A	Personally it's a bit easier to get into a group as a para. Dervs compete with 3 other melee classes for the one or two spots that ppl are willing to dedicate, as a paragon there's a bit more room to work with.

Aug 07, 2009, 01:25 AM // 01:25	#4
refer Jungle Guide Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: US	Never tried Dervishes, but I like paragons. Spamming shouts and spears with conditions is actually quite fun.

Aug 07, 2009, 03:10 AM // 03:10	#6
HawkofStorms Hall Hero Join Date: Aug 2005 Profession: E/	I've played both. Found paragon boring. Derv is a lot of fun if used correctly.

Aug 07, 2009, 04:30 AM // 04:30	#8
ryan__ryan Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canada Guild: Vanquished Memories [VM] Profession: Mo/	easier to get into a party as a para than a dervish although as a para u pretty much will run imbagon (pvx that if u dont know what that is) 90% of the time

Aug 07, 2009, 05:09 AM // 05:09	#9
Cuilan Forge Runner Join Date: Mar 2008 Profession: Me/	Play style wise, the paragon stands in the middle of your group and shouts off support while the dervish gets in a group of enemies after the tank to deal damage/cripple. Dervish can support and the paragon can deal damage, but that's what they're mostly for typically. I'd say dervish because they're more engaging.

Aug 07, 2009, 06:17 AM // 06:17	#10
reaper with no name Desert Nomad Join Date: Apr 2009 Guild: FaZ Profession: D/	Paragons are a fairly unique class. There's no other class that does quite what they do, the way they do it. Unfortunately, you have few good build options. So if you get tired of playing imbagon, you're in trouble. On the other hand, despite what Anet intended, the dervish is a standard melee class. 90% of what it does (more like 99%, actually), can be done better with a W/D or A/D (even with today's buffs). However, the dervish does look cooler than the competition. It has like 5 builds that it's competition can't do better. So it's overall usefulness to a party (Para) versus build options (Derv).

Aug 07, 2009, 07:03 AM // 07:03	#11
KoKoS Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: aBove Empress Amarox xP Guild: KDT Profession: Mo/E	i find derv more entertaining too =D and paragons dance are not good x.x xD

Aug 07, 2009, 02:51 PM // 14:51	#12
Arduin Grotto Attendant Join Date: May 2005 Location: The Netherlands Guild: Limburgse Jagers [LJ] Profession: R/	My Dervish made it to level 20 before getting ditched, my Paragon made it to level 6. Maybe the buffs of the Dervish skills yesterday will make the Dervish more enjoyable to play.

Aug 07, 2009, 03:47 PM // 15:47	#13
Yang Whirlwind ~ Retired ~ Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark (GMT +1) Profession: E/	Both classes are interesting. Dervish are basically m??l??e (frontline) and Paragons are ranged (midline), maybe you should base the decision on which type of game-play you prefer?

Aug 07, 2009, 03:55 PM // 15:55	#14
dilan155 Desert Nomad Join Date: May 2007 Location: living room Profession: N/	i played both of them and even though my para is still my main, i find him quite boring, dervish is pretty good, specially in pve where mobs group and you have a scythe.

Aug 07, 2009, 05:40 PM // 17:40	#15
Jarot Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Skyway Guild: KDAC Profession: Rt/	I really like my Dervish. I find that with skills, he can take care of himself in almost any group or by himself. He is the one I go to when I want to play aggressively and just slice up stuff!

Aug 07, 2009, 05:56 PM // 17:56	#16
Slasher of Darkness Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Lots of places~ Profession: D/	My main is a derv, 13 maxed titles and closing in to 15..I like him alot, even tho alot of the times I'm discouraged by the fact that A/D (cba with W/D) does scythe better then I do, and I find myself asking if I should continue my dervish, but I always come back to it. But on the other hand I never tried a paragon, but imho, they only got 1 GREAT build, and from what I've heard, that build is boring also. If u do it right, derv is LOADS of fun.

Aug 07, 2009, 06:49 PM // 18:49	#17
zmano11 Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: The Falls Profession: N/A	id make a para and had both and deleted both cause i never used never liked either of them tbh but my para was more fun and easier 2 get into grps and if Shadow Form ever gets nerfed a SY Para would prolly make it into a group easier in the future

Aug 07, 2009, 09:44 PM // 21:44	#19
aga Krytan Explorer Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: England Profession: A/	It's just what you prefer. If you would rather be on the frontline dealing damage, or in the midline supporting the party, with some damage? My main was a derv, since i got 30 titles on him, i've barely used it, as imo, it's a boring class, although there are a lot of different styles of builds for a derv to run. As for paras i find them more interesting to play, but they are only ever used for running imba, so they are pretty much a 1 trick pony.

Aug 07, 2009, 11:02 PM // 23:02	#20
notskorn Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Oct 2006 Guild: Clan Roxor Profession: W/E	Neither one of those classes are fun in PvE. Dervish dies a lot and Paragons are really limited and therefore really boring.